Thursday, January 17, 2013

RCI's witnesses credibility questioned


In an earlier posting here entitled "Sabah's newspapers attempt to incite KDM", Chinese DAP were told not to interfere in the Royal Commission of Inquiry (RCI) on ICs given to illegal immigrants in Sabah.

For those given citizenship by the Malay rulers on the principle of Jus Soli, they have no business to question those who were given citizenship on the basis of Jus Sanguine. They have more natural rights than Chinese who are immigrants from far away land with culture so alien to Sabah.

Lim Kit Siang did not heed that reminder and raised the issues in the RCI in his blog. He copy and pasted  sensationalise reports from opposition friendly portals. It only goes to show that this veteran politician has no shame.

Nevertheless, those pasted reports are useful references to question the credibility of witnesses that made those sensational statements on the third day of RCI yesterday.


Kit Siang republished MI report here on former Sabah National Registration Department (NRD) Director,  Ramli Kamarudin accusation on the late Tan Sri Megat Junid Megat Ayub, then Deputy Home Affairs Minister for ordering him to issue NRD receipts to enable and also train and arrange the alleged illegal immigrants in Sabah to vote in the 1994 state election.

Also a report by M'kini here of then Tamparuli NRD chief, Yakup Damsah claiming to receive instruction from then-Sabah NRD chief Abdul Rauf Sanihe for him and two other NRD officers to be flown to Kuala Lumpur and  worked out of Tan Sri Aziz Shamsuddin’s house in Kampung Pandan to speedily sign for the immediate and swift issuance and distribution of identity cards for alleged immigrants in Sabah.

Another is M'kini report here of Kee Dzulkifly Kee Abdul Jalil claim to be part of a special unit dubbed as G17 that operated out of the Sabah NRD headquarters in Kota Kinabalu. They were responsible to  process application forms for some 100,000 blue identity cards for immigrants and issue letters of approval for an estimated 200,000 birth certificates for children of immigrants.

Last was FMT report here of former National Registration Department (NRD) officer, Mohd Nasir Sungip who was involved in the same alleged Projek IC scheme.


In a glance, these testimonies seemed staggering and are sensational news material.

However, all the sources reported the witnesses and names mentioned; Kee Dzulkifly, Asli Sidup, Alcop Damsah @ Yakup Damsah, Nasit Sugip and their boss Ramli Kamaruddin were detained under the Internal Security Act.

They were detained for their role in a syndicate to extort money from the approved immigrants before issuing them the blue ICs. This blogger also confirm to have met and heard those involved in this syndicate acknowledge they made money from the exercise.

The government had planned and agreed to issue citizenship to the political refugees in accordance with the  proper principle, conditions and procedures. Thus, the award of citizenship and issuance of IC is not an issue but it was these witnesses that were culprits in smearing the reputation of the exercise.

Such offense is a threat to national security and warrants for an ISA detention in order to quickly stop the scam to take advantage on the powerless from continuing.

Anyone involved in giving away ICs and falsifying documents to enable non citizens to be citizens and enjoy the rights and benefits as other Malaysians are doing act of treasons.

Bear in mind that their corrupt act which is driven by money and greed could be the reasons that the lawful exercise is viewed as a conspiracy to manipulate election results.

By bringing them as witness, it would put the finding of the RCI into jeopardy. Unless there is another process of "cleaning" up their name, their testimonies are as worthless as the words of PI Bala in any law. His flip flop Statutory Declarations will deem him as unreliable witness.

There is a great possibility that these former NRD officers could be making claims to clean their name. They could have an ax-to-grind against the authorities for putting them under ISA detention for few years. They may be willing to implicate the government and others for revenge.

Late Megat Junid will 
not be able to tell his 
side of the story
They implicated the late Megat Junid in which it is impossible to verify the authenticity of their allegations. It is unfair to mention his name since he is unable to tell his side of the story.

Malaysiakini had contacted Tan Sri Aziz and his response was that he has no recollection of the matter. Why would such an operation be done from a private home of a government official? Sounds amateurish to be believable.

In the meanwhile, one of the witness claimed for Sabah Chief Minister, Dato Osu Sukam was in the hotel room with the late Megat Junid when Ramli and Asli were given verbal instruction. He has not testified to verify such happenings.

Thus far, all these testimonies by witnesses does not come with any proof to back their claim. All these claims are only collaborated by other ISA detainees too. It does not make it credible.

It could also be merely hearsay.

In addition, Nasir Sungip is believed to be the brother to PAS state assemblyman for Selangor, Saari Sungip. That raised the possibility of partisan political motive and biasness in Nasir's statement at the RCI.

A day earlier, The Star here reported statement of former chief minister Tan Sri Harris Salleh at the RCI.

He refuted the existence of an operation called Projek IC to issue Malaysian IC and documents to immigrants in Sabah.

In his explanation, he told the RCI that he had no authority to order Malaysian agencies to give out identification documents when he was Chief Minister between 1976 and 1985.

The Federal Government was the sole authority for the issuance of identity cards and other documents.

Although he is not wrong, Harris failed to mention that the procedure of the Federal Government prior to award of citizenship, especially involving Sabah and Sarawak is to get the concurrence of the state on the list of approved applicants.

Harris also said that Federal agencies may have tried to hasten the processing of documents for immigrants such as the IMM13 for those granted refugee status due to the large numbers of applicants.

That could partly explain for the perceived clandestine in the operation as claimed by those witnesses with questionable credibility.

Did the questioning officer of the RCI take all these into consideration before bringing in all these witnesses? Are there not other NRD officials that can explain the official position of NRD?

Read also Bigdogdotcom's take on the latest RCI here.

20 comments:

alkahfi said...

Revoke back the ic's as well the chinese ic's

Anonymous said...

whether Credible or Not the Members of the RC will have to assess the Credibility of witnesses and not for others to decide. For this matter they may seek corroborative evidence to verify authenticity of claims.

In any RC there will be partisan interests at play and the purpose of the RC is to ensure that the investigation is impartial in all manner of approach.

Hold your horses until the RC has completed its investigations!



Joe Black

Anonymous said...

Kit Siang overlooked the flooding of china dolls into Selangor and Penang by Ronnie's gang.

They are everywhere nowadays.

Anonymous said...

Political witnesses are unreliable and have faulty memories.

Anonymous said...

Wah A Voice

You've made Joe Black speak like a defensive government servant

hahaha

Anonymous said...

"Such offense is a threat to national security and warrants for an ISA detention in order to quickly stop the scam to take advantage on the powerless from continuing."

HAHAHAH. says who? you? LOL. Joke of the year. "Extortion" of this kind, if you say is a criminal offense, ok la, boleh percaya. But threat to national security? kakakakakak..

Anonymous said...

Assalammualaikum wbt Dear Voice,

1.Let's ask the following question - Which stupid idiot agreed to have this RCI so near and close to the General Election ? And in a fixed deposit state some more ?!

2.Remember the Lingamgate RCI ? That Sleepy Head organised an RCI right during the general election ! And people got angry on the so called manipulations,even though it was never proven. And we got a 'tsunami'. And the rest is history,so does sleepy head...

Anonymous said...

Assalammualaikum wbt Dear Voice,

1.Let's ask the following question - Which stupid idiot agreed to have this RCI so near and close to the General Election ? And in a fixed deposit state some more ?!

2.Remember the Lingamgate RCI ? That Sleepy Head organised an RCI right during the general election ! And people got angry on the so called manipulations,even though it was never proven. And we got a 'tsunami'. And the rest is history,so does sleepy head...

Anonymous said...

It is all hearsay. No proof of any wrong doing so long ago.

Anonymous said...

Don't Mock The Civil Service. They are keeping this Country Moving despite Interference by Corrupt Politicians and businesses.

With a New Alternative Government they will perform better as there will be less corruption and Abuse of Power.



Joe Black

Anonymous said...

Don't Mock The Civil Service. They are keeping this Country Moving despite Interference by Corrupt Politicians and businesses.

With a New Alternative Government they will perform better as there will be less corruption and Abuse of Power.



Joe Black

Anonymous said...

apa yg ko tau pasal benda ni..sudah2 la mengarut...so far aku blum nampak mana2 PATI tu baik yg pegang IMM13 ka IMM whatever lanchau qualified jadi warga Malaysia...sudah2 la. baik lagi ko spin issue yg lebih sedap dibaca..mcm pembangunan, kebajikan rakyat ka....

Anonymous said...

1.we the bumiputra of this land fully support if RCI is created on how can a ` a million pendatang is given citizen ship during Tunku Abdul Rahman Administration'

2. if we do a thorough survey, majority bumiputra is DISAGREE with TAR granting citizen ship to this pendatang

3. we demand the govt. take this matter seriously.

4.AGAIN let we remind the govt, it is us the bumi of this country that put you in power today and you have the audacity to bargain, kowtim with the pendatang?

5.Our tolerance had been tested again and again by these pendatang.

6.WE demand the govt to set up an RCI on how could Tunku could give million of pendatang a citizenship?

Anak Kampung said...


who was the TPM back in early 1990s ?

and who win the Umno Timbalan Presiden then with the support from the newly formed Umno Sabah.

Actually Arwah Tun Ghaffar yang mula mula help to form Umno in sabah but somebody hijacked the state and later trounced out Tun Ghaffar.

Mari kita lihat siapa yang kena.

Anonymous said...

What Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad said is correct ! No one is above the rule of the laws !

RCI for blue ICs to Chinese and Indians said...

I think this is food for thoughts. Tunku Abd Rahman was said to have issued 1 millions blue ICs to Chinese and Indians migrants in Peninsula.

How sure are we what Tunku had done was right. What right had the Chinese and Indian labourers to blue ICs.

A Royal Commission of Inquiry should also be iniated to investigate the issuance of ICs to Chinese and Indians by Tunku to see if they were justified.

Whatever the British said or forced the Malay Sultans to accept are not applicable now. We should have bilateral agreement with China and India to receive their citizens back.

Anonymous said...

joe black

interested in voting out BN and welcoming a corrupt leader? dont you know that anwar was the dirtiest minister in malaysian history? you dont know much about him, do you?

Anonymous said...

YES. Set up a RC on why did the Tunku single handedly gave out 1 million citizenship to the chinese and indians who now oppose giving out citizenship to others. And these chinese and indians insist on calling themselves chinese and indians when the chinese and indian governments dont even want them back.

Anonymous said...

The next General Elections is the ultimate battle between the Malaysian Nationalists of Malaysia which is a runaway success in human terms and Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore's runaway failure.

Anonymous said...

Let ,s go for a poll either we Malays agree or not to 2nd RCI on one million immigrant before independent...after all we are democratic country..

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