Tuesday, April 15, 2008

Anyone Heard Param's Response To The Challenge?


It's been a 4 days since Matthias Chang made an open challenge to Param the new comedian. Has there been a response? Can someone find him an immunity to make him brave again?

The challenge found on Malaysia Today dated April 11th is as below:

An open challenge to Param Cumarasamy

Friday, 11 April 2008

Accept an open public debate with Matthias Chang or shut up for good

So Param, accept my challenge to a public debate, bring the evidence or forever shut up, leave this country for good as you have done enough damage, specifically to the Judiciary.

NO MORE IMMUNITY

Now that Param has no more UN immunity from civil suits and criminal proceedings, I am challenging him to a no-holds-barred public debate that his allegations on corruption and lack of independence of the Malaysian Judiciary:

are distortions, misrepresentation and an attempt to mislead the public and that while acting as an UN Special Rapporteur on the independence of the Judiciary and Lawyers, he failed in his duty to ensure the independence of the Malaysian judiciary (if as alleged it was not independent).

And to establish a simple fact – whether he has the courage of his conviction to subject himself to the full glare of an open public enquiry.

I DEMAND EVIDENCE

I am sure that having acted as the UN Special Rapporteur, he must have gathered sufficient testimony from witnesses and other cogent documentary evidence to support his allegations.

Since he takes the view that under the Mahathir administration, his exposure of such corruption within the Malaysian Judiciary would not see the light of day, it is about time, that we hear from him in the full glare of a public debate the irrefutable evidence that he has painstakingly accumulated all these years. I demand that he lodge a report to the ACA based on his evidence!

I am sure that Pak Lah, having called for a reform of the judiciary in his recent press statement, would only be too happy to have the irrefutable evidence so that under his “fair, liberal and reform minded” administration, all the alleged baggage can be discarded once and for all.

To all my detractors, this is not a defence of Tun Dr. Mahathir Mohamad.

If, you preach and demand accountability and transparency, you must also walk the talk!

What is so special about this Param that he can say whatever he wants without accountability and or transparency? He has made very serious allegations against the Malaysian Judiciary but till to date we have not seen any evidence, by way of witness statements or documentary evidence whatsoever.

I demand justice. As a practicing lawyer, I need to know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!

But I find it strange that the Bar Council, lawyers in general and the public have not demanded from this man who struts about as the former UN Special Rapporteur for the Independence of the Judiciary and Lawyers, the evidence to support his allegations.

THE INJUSTICE

By his incessant criticisms of the Malaysian Judiciary, without providing any evidence whatsoever, he has condemned each and every Malaysian Judge as being corrupt and or failing to uphold the independence of the judiciary.

Is this fair?

Let me give an analogy.

Suppose the newspapers repeatedly condemn your company for corruption or your family for abusing foreign maids under your hire, what would you do?

Would you not demand evidence from the accusers?

And if there is no evidence, would you not sue the accusers, in this case the newspapers, the editors, the reporters for damages for defamation?

So the RM100 million dollar question is this: Why have you not demanded from Param the evidence to support his allegations?

Bar Council, why have you not demanded the evidence from Param?

I AM FOR REFORMS. BUT, THERE MUST BE A BASIS. IF YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT ILLNESS THE PATIENT IS SUFFERING FROM, HOW CAN YOU PROVIDE THE CURE?

The general allegation that the judiciary is corrupt is not unlike a patient complaining “I have pain all over the body.” Surely, the doctor would need to know the cause of the pain. Once he has the evidence (from test results, examination of the patient etc.) he can provide the cure.

Fellow Malaysians, there must be one standard for all. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Even the Judges deserve this.

That is why in criminal matters (and corruption is a criminal offence) the Court can only and must convict on proof beyond all reasonable doubts.

If you follow Param like a herd, and he gets away with spurious allegations, then one day (and God forbid) if, you are a victim of such spurious allegations, you will suffer the same injustice as any person who has been convicted on spurious evidence.

I have heard numerous allegations from senior lawyers, including past and present Chairman of the Bar Council that certain judges are corrupt. When I demand from them evidence and the reasons, why they have not lodge any reports to the Anti-Corruption Agency, I get no answers!

IS THERE A FOREIGN AGENDA?

So what is the agenda behind all these allegations, these diversions, this noise?

Why is the British High Commission inviting lawyers and judges for dinners (not just one or two) to discuss on the appointment of judges?

I can name one occasion, when I was the Political Secretary to the Prime Minister. This involved the appointment of the previous and just retired Chief Justice. He was recommended by the then outgoing Chief Justice as he was empowered under the Malaysian Constitution.

Lawyers were not too happy. They gathered at the private residence of the British High Commissioner. I was invited to attend the function. And I was pressurized by lawyers present to “advise” the then Prime Minister not to proceed with the appointment. I declined of course, as it was not within my jurisdiction or authority to interfere. I could not usurp the constitutional functions of the Chief Justice. Yet, it was lawyers who were asking me to usurp the Chief Justice’s constitutional functions. Bunch of hypocrites!

So who is interfering? I stand to be corrected, but, if my memory serves me right, Param was there. You can draw your own conclusions from this one episode.

If a foreign government interferes in the appointment of Malaysian Judges, is our Judiciary truly independent? Or are they not mere tools for foreign powers?

THE DEBATE

So Param, accept my challenge to a public debate, bring the evidence or forever shut up, leave this country for good as you have done enough damage, specifically to the Judiciary.

The Rules for the Debate are simple.

1) Raja Petra be appointed the Moderator. Malaysia Today bloggers don’t treat me too kindly so Param has an advantage.

2) Each be given half an hour to speak – no holds barred.

3) Each be given half an hour to cross examine – no holds barred.

Then let the Court of Public Opinion decide.

Matthias Chang

Yes folks, typical of lawyers taking fight with each other. This also means Param is no match for non lawyer Tun. Will he continue to be clown or transform into a chicken?

Perhaps, Matthias is no favourite of many on the blogosphere for his confrontational and head on approach in airing his views. Lets set aside emotion and emotion. Does anyone dare to defend the incident at the British Council without going through nafi nahi or denial or doubt creating?

Now, thats only ne of many reasons I do not trust Bar Council? Well, I do not quite trust the legal profession - period

So gaduh gaduh gaduh ...

7 comments:

jebatmustdie said...

Param should accept Matthias' offer for debate. He must not hide. If he thinks he is right and has evidence, he should not be afraid of matthias. i myself wants to know whether Param actually knows what he is fighting for. Or just mere rhetorics in gaining mileage for his friends in the opposition.

if we receive another letter from Param pussyfooting the issue and not wanting to debate, then we can safely say he doesn't have any strong evidence to back his claim. maybe this can help, why don't he just borrow all the 6 boxes of corruption files which were kept by DSAI (if such boxes do exist).
coz frankly, i'm getting tired of the opposition screaming about corruption but never produce the evidence they have so called proudly obtained. It's been 9 years already and not a single box was produced. I am disappointed.

yapchongyee said...

YAPCHONGYEE
5A PRINSEP ROAD
ATTADALE, WA.6156

EMAIL: ychongyee@yahoo.com.au
Blogg. :http://yapchongyee.blogspot.com.


Hello Param, Cumarasamy,

Re: Debating Mathaias on corruption of Malaysian Judiciary

It has been a long time since I met you very briefly in KL. I am a friend of Ishar Singh and I sold to you a Peugeod 504, white. I read in one of the blogs. I think it is ROCKY BRU; that you have been challenged to a debate by this fellow Mathias to be moderated by Raja Petra. If you are up to this debate I want you to read my blog://yapchongyee.blogspot.com.

I believe the material posted by me in that blog is exactly what is material for your debate.

Joe Yap

Tel: (08) 9330 2547 (Perth). Contact me anytime by any means.

yapchongyee said...

I have heard numerous allegations from senior lawyers, including past and present Chairman of the Bar Council that certain judges are corrupt. When I demand from them evidence and the reasons, why they have not lodge any reports to the Anti-Corruption Agency, I get no answers!

Quote Matthias !

Mr Matthias I have the evidence that will convict Judge Dato Zainon binti Mohd. Ali of criminal behaviour and from the evidence. I stand by my charge that Judge zainon binti Mohd. Ali had aided & abetted the criminals Stephen Lim Cheng Ban, Kwong Sea Yoon & Wong Kem Chen to commit PERJURY & FORGERY. I also Charge Judge Zainon binti Mohd. Ali for conspiring with the above 3 said criminals to obtain money under false pretences, conspiting to pervert the course of justice. I also Charge Judge zainon binti Mohd. Ali with ABUSE OF POWER WHILE PERFORMING JUCICIAL DUTIES ON THE BENCH WHILE ADJUDICATING MY WIFE'S CASE.

I have written to Malaysian Attorney General, Chief Justice Malaysia, Yang Mulia HRH Regent Perak; President & Secretary Malaysian Bar, many copies to practising lawyers.

It is understandable that I will not pursue my charge in Malaysia seeing that Judges do not even have to give formal judgment for their decisions. There is no rule of law in Malaysia. Malaysia is lawless and I will be htrown into prison as soon as I appear in Malaysia, NOT BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE A CASE AGAINST JUDGE ZAINON BINTI MOHD. ALI BUT BECAUSE YOUR JUDGES DO NOT KNOW THE LAW AND THEY ARE UNETHICAL AND HAVE NO SENSE OF DUTY TO THIER JOB.

I have on too many occasions charged Judge Zainon binti Mohd. Ali to come to our court in Perth, Australia to extradite me for libel or sedition. I have publicly humiliated Judge Zainon binti Mohd. Ali to her face and she has no credibility to come pursue me in a court of law where the law is properly enforced.

I am trying to contact Paramand invite him to debate you, Matthias; because Malaysia is Lawless ! Another thing if you will, tell judge zainon binti Mohd. Ali to do the right thing, MY WIFE'S CASE IS STILL ALIVE AND HER ACTION TO STRIKE OUT MY WIFE'S PETITION IS ILLEGAL AND UNLAWFUL. hER STRIKING OUT HAD BEEN INEFFECTUAL. iT WAS LIKE MASTURBATION, ALL HEAT AND NO FIRE ! Judge Zainon binti Mohd. Ali does not know the law and she is on the bench of the Court of Appeal, Highest court of Malaysia.

WHAT A JOKE ? You want evidence that will support Params' charges ? Go to my blog at http://yapchongyee.blogspot.com.

MATTHIAS IF YOU HAVE THE REAL GUTS REPLY TO MY PST.

Anonymous said...

Mathias Chang is a lawyer? How can this Mathias be so dumb. Debate is all hot air la. If Tun has nothing to hide, set up Royal Commission. RCI has power to call witnesses, provide immunity, make recommendation which will have a lot of weight and compel the government to act on its findings. Debate is so mickey mouse and at level of sekolah menengah rendah. Sheesh...

p/s – Dato’ Param is after Tun Mahathir and I don’t think he will sully his reputation to engage Mahathir’s lil errand boy.

Surind said...

Dear Freedom Fighters, both Online & Offline...

I have been supporting the boycott the newspapers initiative for sometime & I have done my push & pull marketing rather we'll around my circle of family, friends & contacts. A few have stopped buying, some don't already. A lot whom still want to purchase the papers, I passed on the info - which was the worst in all mediums & urged them to switch to the least worst. For English papers, the worst was the The Star (Spinning & BN coverage). Data can be found on the People's Parliament.

Now, the story. I have noticed that some, are still purchasing the newspapers, especially "The Star" every now & then, especially on Saturday's for... "The Recruitment Section!"

So, I urge all those whom support this cause to pass the word. Only get your recruitment information online. Do not purchase the msm & even browse through it.

PR & others (mid-long term effort), get more beginner computer classes up. Teaching people to use the comp, get the news, browse & apply for jobs, using the email, etc. Keep the fees very low, give it free to the very poor, catch the young, educate! PR, set up a IT centre in the poor areas, with news printed out & pasted there regularly. Put up a few PCs with internet connections for the poor to share & use for free during office hours.

Check out MT article "My Version of the Truth" by RPK, for some related info.

Thanks, please pass the word!

Anonymous said...

Matthias shd not accept a challenge by a two bit coward called yapchongyee who left the country.

Anonymous said...

Mathias is a poodle of Mahathir. I wouldn't pee on him if he was on fire!

My Say