Saturday, July 19, 2014

SIA took same "risky route"

When Minister of Transportion, Dato Liow Tiong Lai was giving his statement to the press yesterday, the TV and PC was set on CNN and Free Malaysia Today.

The important Liow's quote was:
"The flight path taken by MH17 was approved by the International Civil Aviation Organization, and by the countries whose airspace the route passed through. And the International Air Transportation Association has also stated that the airspace the aircraft was traversing was unrestricted.

15 out of 16 airlines in the Association of Asia Pacific Airlines fly this route over Ukraine. European airlines also use the same route, and traverse the same airspace. In the hours before the incident, a number of other passenger aircraft from different carriers used the same route.

There were no last minute instructions given to the pilots of MH17 to change the route of the flight."
It didn't take an hour for CNN to brush off the Minister report and had a so-called expert to comment and accused MAS for not taking the precaution. FMT published a doubt creating article, "Why were commercial planes still flying over Ukraine?" at 5:32 PM.

Popular pathway

FMT refused to acknowledge Liow's explanation by producing the AFP article. Perhaps they did not come cross The Washington Post report below:
Air route above eastern Ukraine is a popular pathway between Europe and Asia

The route on which the Malaysia Airlines plane was struck is a primary pathway between Europe and Asia. (Joe Pries/AP)

By Ashley Halsey III July 17 at 9:08 PM

The route that carries a dozen planes an hour high above eastern Ukraine is so popular it has a name: airway L980.

It is a primary pathway between the capitals of Europe and the mega-cities of Asia — Tokyo, Hong Kong, Mumbai and Singapore.

Although the skies seem like a boundless, borderless domain, the paths flown by commercial aircraft are well beaten, constricted by a desire to conserve fuel and a system of waypoints that stand like figurative mileposts at 35,000 feet.

“Typically, that flight plan doesn’t change much,” said Kees Rietsema, a professor at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Phoenix. “If that airline flies every day from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, they fly the same route every day.”

The only variation — and Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 flew about 200 miles north of its normal path Thursday — would be if the pilot encounters bad weather, he said.

“The airline is responsible for planning the route of an airplane, not the pilot,” Rietsema said. “The airline stays abreast” of notifications and warnings.

And the airline would assess the risk of flying over areas of conflict.

“Airlines overfly conflicted areas all the time, whether it’s in the Middle East or wherever it might be,” said Rietsema, an Air Force veteran and former commercial pilot who also served as a staff member at the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

“From a strictly legal perspective, you can overfly that closed airspace and there’s no one telling you you can’t be there, but on the other hand I would say that you also are assuming the risk on your own that something untoward could happen.”

By late Thursday, that aviation highway over Ukraine was empty, abandoned for fear that a missile fired from the conflicted territory below might take down another aircraft. Dozens of flights between Europe and Asia will be re-routed from airway L980 on Friday, and probably for weeks to come.

But until Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, flying its daily route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, was struck from the sky Thursday, it was business as usual on airway L980. U.S. intelligence said the plane, with 298 people on board, was brought down by an antiaircraft missile.

“It’s an established route and there’s no war declared,” said Robert Benzon, a former investigator for the National Transportation Safety Board. “There are commercial planes flying in and out of Iraq all the time.”

Much as the Federal Aviation Administration controls and regulates domestic flights, its counterpart Eurocontrol has authority over the airspace in 40 European nations, including Ukraine.

Eurocontrol said the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 was flying at 33,000 feet when it apparently was hit by a missile. The agency said Ukrainian authorities on Monday closed airspace up to 32,000 feet for commercial flights. After the crash Thursday, Ukraine banned all overflights of the eastern part of the country.

Brian Flynn, a spokesman for Eurocontrol, said airspace up to 26,000 feet had been closed since July 1. In both cases, the closures came after rebels shot down Ukrainian military aircraft.

The FAA said Thursday that U.S. airlines had agreed not to pass over the Russian-Ukraine border following the crash.

Before Thursday’s crash, about 300 commercial flights a day flew at cruising altitude above eastern Ukraine headed between Europe and Asia. Most of them fly over another conflicted nation — Afghanistan — as well. For example, other Malaysia Airlines flights passed over Ukraine on Thursday, as did aircraft flown by Singapore Airlines and Air France. British Airways routes some of its Asia-bound flights to the north of Ukraine and some to the south.

As the conflict escalated in Ukraine and Russia took control of Crimea, airlines were told not to fly over that part of Ukraine. The FAA issued a warning to U.S. airlines in April, and the International Civil Aviation Organization, a U.N. agency, cautioned that competition between Russian and Ukrainian air-traffic controllers had created an unsafe situation.
If the intention is to accuse MAS as being negligent, Liow's answered that there is no instruction to the pilot to change route.

SIA spared

As CNN was on a path steadfast to bury MAS, Singapore Airline was trying to downplay their presence near the MAS shooting in The Straits Times, Singapore's noon news yesterday:
Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash: SIA stops flights over Ukraine

Published on Jul 18, 2014 12:00 PM

A staff member takes a call at the customer service counter of Singapore Airlines (SIA) at Changi International airport in Singapore on May 8, 2014. SIA has stopped all flights over Ukraine, following the crash of a Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 in the country's eastern region. -- PHOTO: AFP

By Karamjit Kaur, Aviation Correspondent

SINGAPORE - Singapore Airlines has stopped all flights over Ukraine, following the crash of a Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 in the country's eastern region.

"We generally have a number of pre-existing flight paths for our flights to and from the destinations that we are operating to," a spokesman told The Straits Times on Friday. "At this point, we are no longer using Ukrainian airspace and have re-routed all our flights to alternative flight paths that are away from the region."

SIA did not elaborate on the revised flight paths, added the spokesman. "In line with aviation safety and security protocols, we will however not provide specific information on the flight path of any particular flight prior to flight departure," she added.

Singapore's national carrier also did not comment either on reports that flight SQ351 from Copenhagen, Denmark, which was flying over the area at the time was about 25km away from flight MH17 when it was allegedly shot down.

Sources, however told The Straits Times that the SIA flight was "pretty close."

There were 283 passengers and 15 crew members on board MH17, when it was apparently shot down and crashed while crossing above a conflict zone in eastern Ukraine where pro-Russian rebels are fighting forces controlled by the government in the capital Kiev.
The morning news of The Strait Times, Singapore was shocking. It would have shamed DAP leader, Lim Kit Siang for his allegation against MAS, thus for a sudden change in stance later to call for unity [read FMT here].

The ST morning report yesterday, below:
Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash: Singapore Airlines plane SQ351 was about 25km away

Published on Jul 18, 2014 8:46 AM

Singapore Airlines SQ351 (B777) and Air India AI113 (B787) were about 25 km from Malaysian Airlines MH17 when it disappeared. -- PHOTO: FLIGHTRADAR24/TWITTER

A Singapore Airlines flight was within 25 kilometres of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 when it lost contact with air traffic controllers and crashed near the Russian border with Ukraine, according to a website that tracks global aircraft in real time.

According to, Singapore Airlines SQ351, a Boeing 777, and Air India AI113, a Boeing 787, were about within 15 miles (25 kilometres) of MH17 when the Boeing 777 disappeared and crashed after presumably being shot down.

Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 disappeared from radar screens in eastern Ukraine at around 1415 GMT (10.15pm Singapore time), the carrier said on its Twitter account, hours after the Boeing 777, bound for Kuala Lumpur, had taken off from Amsterdam's Schiphol airport. There were 298 people on board.
In the picture, clearly there were 15 other airplanes in the vicinity. Singapore Airlines had only changed slightly their flight routes but still maintaining a low fuel route still not to far from the trouble spot.

The route from SIA tracking website, Flight Aware here shows the SIA route which is the similar "risky route" taken by MAS for Amsterdam to Singapore with both Airline using the same Boeing 777-200 for their 17th and 18th departure flight, below:

The 17th flight was still traversing southern Ukraine.

SIA only changed their route away to the south of the Black Sea from the now announced trouble spot yesterday 18th.

The day before it was the same route taken by MAS. SQ 323 was only 30 minutes ahead of MAS.

Richard Quest on SIA's A380 inaugral flight

So why then is CNN viciously singling out the victim MAS but spared Singapore Airline from the same  accusation of negligent? Is it because Richard Quest had once gave a rave review of Singapore Airlines? Or is it because MAS is seen as more vulnerable to be a trophy of media victim?

Maybe Quest could not get his way with a pretty MAS stewardess when he was either stoned on alcohol or drugs. He managed to do so on SIA's free complimentary 1st class.


Anonymous said...

Excellent piece of writing! Thank you...

Anonymous said...

Why is Zam and A kadir Jasin politicizing this MAS disaster to attack Najib? And you are defending Najib's administration?

You Mahathir guys playing good cop, bad cop... Sickening!

~ Anti-Pretenders

BuahCiku said...

"The morning news of The Strait Times, Singapore was shocking. It would have shamed DAP leader, Lim Kit Siang for his allegation against MAS, thus for a sudden change in stance later to call for unity [read FMT here]."

I love the way u politicize this issue. Way to go!

Anonymous said...

No, because we all HATE Melayus. You feel me?

Speak your mind said...

anti Pretender

Why are you caught in silo mindset?

A Voice may be pro Tun M but have seen hm disagreeing with Tun M.

What is there to being different with Zam and A Kadir Jasin?

Zam a Mahathir man? He betrayed Mahathir during the time of sleepy head.

Why must expressing a personal viewpoint be tied up with any ulterior motive but for own right for an opinion?

Looks like it is you that is sick in your head with suspicion.

Anonymous said...

Bro, watch Putin's video on MH17. His body language says it all. No eye contact, looking left and right unnecessarily (if the Americans were the victim, they will analyse to this extent).

I luv Malaysia Airlines

Anonymous said...

Bro, watch Putin's video on MH17, no eye contact and looking right and left unnecessarily - the body language says it all (the westerners love this kind of analysis) - he is troubled.


Anonymous said...

When you drive dangerously and you kill some body you deserve the punishment.
You cannot say others also drive dangerously but were lucky.

How many passengers will still fly if they were aware of the flight path?

I think all the other airlines were also reckless and were just lucky.

Anonymous said...

Except that Singapore doesn't have
- the soul of the dead Mongolian woman still crying out for justice
- the racist extremists like Ridhuan Tee, Zukiflee Nordin, ISMA and Perkasa spewing neverending ugly racial and religious hatred against fellow Malaysians resulting in the good Feng Shui of our beloved nation being destroyed.

If you are a voice of fairness, justice and conscience, you should know better how to resolve the above sins, right.

True Malaysian said...

9:16 AM

Poor analogy

Is MAS and other airines reckless or it was accepted route?

Others can take the precaution but do you mean SIA that everybody even Malaysian look with high esteem in order to belittle MAS did not take precaution?

You are just typical Malaysian who talks a lot after an event and suddenly claimed to be an expert.


Anonymous said...

Raymond Chong 3.45PM.

Please stop your dirty profanities when you have nothing to argue against.

If you can't understand what I wrote earlier, why not just keep quiet so that people will not think Chinese Muslims like you and Ridhuan Tee have brains stuck in their dirty orifice below.

1. On the dead Mongolian woman, do you know who is the murderer now.

2. Is it not true that those I mentioned have been spewing non-stop racist and religious attack against fellow Malaysians.

Now answer to my questions above instead of trying to threaten criminal defamation just that you got some smelly little balls

Raymond Azman Chong said...

Anon 7:20 PM

Typical of prejudice idiot devoid of rationale and sanity.

How could he adamantly think he is right when nothing he said has a pinch of proof.

Believe he is also suffering from amnesia.

None of his allegation has any basis in a court of law or any sane court of public opinion.

Are the words ducking, idiot and balls profanities? It is hard but not profanity.

To accuse someone of murder based on slander and suspicion without any proven basis is worse than the sin of profanity.

Hahaha ... notice how he squirm when reminded that he has committed criminal defamation as he start to bark and ram of threat in the typical manner of dogs and pigs!!!

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